{"id":30438,"date":"2021-10-17T15:44:15","date_gmt":"2021-10-17T19:44:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/briandoddonleadership.com\/?p=30438"},"modified":"2021-10-17T15:57:45","modified_gmt":"2021-10-17T19:57:45","slug":"a-podcast-series-all-pastors-and-church-leaders-should-listen-to","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/briandoddonleadership.com\/2021\/10\/17\/a-podcast-series-all-pastors-and-church-leaders-should-listen-to\/","title":{"rendered":"A Podcast Series All Pastors And Church Leaders Should Listen To"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>For six weeks in October and November 2021, Barna\u2019s <\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/churchpulseweekly.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">ChurchPulse Weekly<\/a><em> will feature a series\u2014 “<\/em>Making Space<em>.” As part of Aspen and Barna\u2019s partnership on new research, <\/em>Making Space for Formation<em>, the podcast will help start a new conversation among church leaders about the role of physical space in spiritual development and the theology of space. Each week, Derek DeGroot, Aspen VP of Design and Integrated Services, will reflect on the podcast from his seat at the Church Architect\u2019s Desk.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>If you haven\u2019t listened to the podcast, “Making Space for Rest, Healthy Rhythms and High Productivity” yet, you can do so here:<\/em><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/082-carey-nieuwhof-on-the-importance-of-making-space\/id1503586969?i=1000538525221\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9jaHVyY2hwdWxzZXdlZWtseS5saWJzeW4uY29tL3Jzcw\/episode\/NzkwNGM3YTItNWI5YS00NGQwLWJiMDUtMGYzYTM4NjI3MGNj?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahgKEwigy9Lct8rzAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQrwE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Google Podcasts<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/5QanwOjjf8F6q2bYvA732S\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Spotify<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/info.aspengroup.com\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/ChurchPulse-Weekly-Discussion-Qs-082.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Make sure to also download the free discussion guide<\/a> so you can go deeper!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Recording my first episode of Barna\u2019s <em>ChurchPulse Weekly, <\/em>“Making Space for Rest, Healthy Rhythms and High Productivity,” with Carey Nieuwhof and David Kinnaman, was exciting for sure. The opportunity to join these two leaders on a large platform, the chance to hone my own podcasting game, the visibility this can bring to a topic that matters deeply to me\u2014all big wins. The bigger win? To be once again involved in a research project with Barna Group with the aim to bring to light new learnings for the Church and for our team at Aspen! We developed <em>Making Space for Millennials<\/em> over five years ago and we continue to see the impact. It\u2019s still one of Barna\u2019s most popular resources to date and it reverberated through church leadership teams and helped them respond to a changing culture.<\/p>\n<p>In this week\u2019s <em>ChurchPulse Weekly<\/em> podcast, David points to <em>why<\/em> the Millennials research was so impactful. Of churches, he said, \u201cYou\u2019re communicating through the way you design your church, what you value, and how you value people. And that\u2019s really, really important for church leaders.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>David and Carey\u2019s whole conversation, centering on leadership development, supported that concept\u2014 <em><u>you invest in what you value<\/u><\/em>. Carey\u2019s investment in his home office for the purpose of \u201cdeep work,\u201d investment in their backyard for the purpose of providing hospitality for relationship building, and even investment in a boat as a tool for creating experiences that become relationship-defining\u2014these are all material investments for the purpose of developing something that lasts beyond the physical world.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Subscribe to Barna\u2019s <em>ChurchPulse Weekly<\/em> Podcast!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/churchpulseweekly.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/subscribe.jpg?w=155&ssl=1\" sizes=\"(max-width: 155px) 100vw, 155px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/subscribe.jpg?width=78&name=subscribe.jpg 78w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/subscribe.jpg?width=155&name=subscribe.jpg 155w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/subscribe.jpg?width=233&name=subscribe.jpg 233w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/subscribe.jpg?width=310&name=subscribe.jpg 310w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/subscribe.jpg?width=388&name=subscribe.jpg 388w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/subscribe.jpg?width=465&name=subscribe.jpg 465w\" alt=\"subscribe\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>For a Christian, so much of our investment in the world is for something deeper than what appears at the surface:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Carey doesn\u2019t carve out time for focused work just so he can say, \u201cI do deep work,\u201d but so that he can write a meaningful sermon and pay attention to what God is doing in his own life.<\/li>\n<li>We don\u2019t go to church just to say, \u201cI went to church,\u201d but to worship God and be part of a church community.<\/li>\n<li>We don\u2019t steward our resources so we can say, like the \u201cwicked\u201d servant in the parable of the talents, \u201cI didn\u2019t lose anything you gave me,\u201d but instead to create value and advance the work of the kingdom.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>As a church architect, I pray we don\u2019t build churches just for the sake of adding more square footage of church property\u2014but rather, to point to the beauty of God and promote the mission of the local and global body of Christ. There is rich meaning to the spaces we inhabit, even if that\u2019s not the first thing we think of. We\u2019re not just looking at spaces as a place to perform ministry programs, but as a way to encourage a life of discipleship.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/at-your-best-giveaway\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg?resize=288%2C288&ssl=1\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 288px) 100vw, 288px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg?width=144&name=at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg 144w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg?width=288&name=at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg 288w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg?width=432&name=at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg 432w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg?width=576&name=at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg 576w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg?width=720&name=at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg 720w, https:\/\/www.aspengroup.com\/hs-fs\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg?width=864&name=at-your-best-giveaway-socials.jpg 864w\" alt=\"at-your-best-giveaway-socials\" width=\"288\" height=\"288\" \/><\/a>In the podcast, Carey asked me \u201cHow do you think it would be helpful for church leaders to re-think space as the future arrives?\u201d I shared, church leaders have a great opportunity right now to reconsider how we want to encourage people to engage in community and discipleship, and then make decisions for our physical spaces in a way that endorses that vision.<\/p>\n<p>Carey\u2019s new book, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/30uhXj3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">At Your Best<\/a>, <\/em>is about <em>how to get<\/em> <em>time, energy, and priorities working in your favor<\/em>, that maximizes your impact. At Aspen, we\u2019re committed to creating <em>space<\/em> that maximizes the impact of the church. There are many facets to that\u2014space for multicultural ministry, space for prayer and spiritual disciplines, a whole theological vision for space, and more\u2014and I\u2019m excited to hear the guests on the next five episodes of <em>ChurchPulse Weekly<\/em>contribute to that vision.<\/p>\n<p>At the beginning of the episode David referenced an old Winston Churchill quote. In talking about the Commons Chamber and how its physical shape promoted the two-party system of parliament, Churchill said, \u201cWe shape our buildings, thereafter they shape us.\u201d In a time of history when spiritual formation and discipleship couldn\u2019t be more critical for the trajectory of the church in America, Aspen is committed to helping church leaders think about how to invest in physical space in a way that shapes your congregation to follow Jesus.<\/p>\n<p>The answer is different for every single church. We need many different inputs as we think through what can sometimes be very expensive decisions. My hope is that the “Making Space” series will inspire you to imagine the deep spiritual transformation God could do through your church, and that you\u2019ll reconsider what Making Space for Formation might mean for you.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/info.aspengroup.com\/hubfs\/Blog_Headers\/Barna%20Podcast%20Blog%20Posts\/Post%201\/ChurchPulse-Weekly-Discussion-Qs-082.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\">Make sure to download the free discussion guide for this episode here!<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"post--single-cta\">\n<div class=\"post--single-cta-desktop blogcards-palm-visuallyhidden\"><span id=\"hs-cta-wrapper-0fac677e-f8f4-47bf-afbc-b727581cf837\" class=\"hs-cta-wrapper\"><span id=\"hs-cta-0fac677e-f8f4-47bf-afbc-b727581cf837\" class=\"hs-cta-node hs-cta-0fac677e-f8f4-47bf-afbc-b727581cf837\" data-hs-drop=\"true\"><a id=\"cta_button_288364_33ece768-5b06-47c6-9526-aced7bd9c187\" class=\"cta_button\" 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